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Brianna Thomas, seeking to replace Lorena González on the City Council, speaks with the SGN

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Brianna Thomas, a candidate for an at-large Seattle City Council position, may not be a household name like her opponent, former 2017 mayoral candidate Nikkita Oliver, but she brings insider knowledge of City Hall and a diverse lived experience.

For the last five years, she has been the legislative aide and chief of staff to Council President Lorena González, who is vacating her seat to run for mayor. Her biography claims that she "led negotiations for Police Accountability legislation, the Surveillance Ordinance in collaboration with ACLU-WA, and the Secure Scheduling Ordinance, providing greater worker protections for employees in restaurants and retail." She also boasts she "established and stood up the City's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) to ensure fairness and integrity in our law enforcement system," among a list of other accomplishments.

Thomas in not new to campaigning. She was a campaign manager for Honest Elections in Seattle and a $15 minimum wage in SeaTac. She also served as the office manager at the Church Council of Greater Seattle and field director at the Washington Housing Alliance Action Fund.

In recent years, her efforts have garnered her awards and recognition. In 2014, the Washington State Democratic Party recognized her the Warren G. Magnuson "Activist of the Year." The Institute for a Democratic Future gave her their "Excellence in Civic Engagement" award that same year. She holds a bachelor's degree from the University of Washington.

Thomas acknowledged she beat the odds as a biracial child living in rural Georgia and escaped the blatant racism and economic hardship she and her peers faced.

Thomas and six candidates are seeking to finish among the top two for the Position 9 seat in the August primary election.

The Seattle Gay News, in cooperation with the online media network Malcontent News (MalcontentNews.com), interviewed Thomas from her home in West Seattle about her candidacy and the her positions on the issues facing Seattle voters.

Raketty: LGBTQIA youth are at greater risk for homelessness, sexual exploitation, and substance abuse. What can be done at the city level to support programs for LGBTQ youth and make Seattle a model among urban cities?

Thomas
: The city can better provide sustainable funding to programs like Lambert House and Lifelong's community outreach programs, because we know that community-based solutions like these work.

We must also support the development and expansion of shelter services for our LGBTQIA youth. Knowing that our young people are... facing the shocking trauma of being separated from their families for simply being who they are, we must ensure that our social safety net is prepared to meet them where they are, with services that respect their identities and ensure their safety.

I will work to develop comprehensive policies appropriately addressing the needs of Transgender youth interacting with the juvenile justice system, especially because we know that our youth are being incarcerated for self-expression or self- defense. Seattle should also partner with universities and colleges in the city to enact comprehensive nondiscrimination policies, including access to housing and facilities, and [ensure] that staff are trained annually on providing culturally competent support for LGBTQ+ students.

We can also work with the school board to change the way we talk about sex education in our schools and to make sure teachers have adequate training so that Queer, Transgender, and gender-noncomforming students feel safe and encouraged to show up authentically.

Brianna Thomas  (Source: People for Brianna Thomas)

Raketty: LGBTQIA youth are at greater risk for homelessness, sexual exploitation, and substance abuse. What can be done at the city level to support programs for LGBTQ youth and make Seattle a model among urban cities?

Thomas
: The city can better provide sustainable funding to programs like Lambert House and Lifelong's community outreach programs, because we know that community-based solutions like these work.

We must also support the development and expansion of shelter services for our LGBTQIA youth. Knowing that our young people are... facing the shocking trauma of being separated from their families for simply being who they are, we must ensure that our social safety net is prepared to meet them where they are, with services that respect their identities and ensure their safety.

I will work to develop comprehensive policies appropriately addressing the needs of Transgender youth interacting with the juvenile justice system, especially because we know that our youth are being incarcerated for self-expression or self- defense. Seattle should also partner with universities and colleges in the city to enact comprehensive nondiscrimination policies, including access to housing and facilities, and [ensure] that staff are trained annually on providing culturally competent support for LGBTQ+ students.

We can also work with the school board to change the way we talk about sex education in our schools and to make sure teachers have adequate training so that Queer, Transgender, and gender-noncomforming students feel safe and encouraged to show up authentically.

Raketty: As you know, Transgender individuals such as myself face hate and hostility on a regular basis. Last year was the deadliest on record for Transgender people, especially BIPOC women who are Trans. How would you address this as a member of the city council?

Thomas
: I see three parts to this crisis: holding people accountable for their crimes, creating an affirming culture so that the hate and hostility stops, and supporting Transgender people with the necessary mental and general healthcare.

As we lower the police budget and fight for progressive revenue, we have to increase funding for the organizations that provide peer-to-peer outreach addressing anti-Trans violence. We also know that community-based solutions that work to stop the school-to-prison pipeline and provide restorative programming with youth before they interact with the legal system are an effective way to lower crime rates.

The City can follow San Francisco's lead by developing and funding programs like the Trans Economic Empowerment Initiative to help Trans folks find employment. Seattle also needs to urgently address the disproportionate number of Trans people facing homelessness, and I will work to ensure that shelters and other service providers have specific guidelines and policies to provide equal access.

We have also got to have a real conversation about existing programs that purport to support our Trans neighbors. I have heard, repeatedly, that the "Safe Place" program the City runs doesn't actually equate to members of the Trans community feeling any safer. Especially in neighborhoods like the Hill, which used to be a bastion for safe self-expression.

Something I'm particularly proud of in my last six years of working in City Hall was the legislation that banned conversion therapy for minors. This could not have been done without the amazing work of Trans activists and organizers.

Raketty: As you know, an independent press is vital to a free democracy, yet local newspapers are being swallowed up by large corporations. And community newspapers, such as the Seattle Gay News, are facing unprecedented financial pressures as a result of the pandemic. What can the City do to strengthen and encourage a robust independent press in Seattle?

Thomas
: Independent press is so important, and it's been very sad to watch community papers forced into closure nationwide. The impacts are far-reaching — not only is the job loss devastating for many but it also means there are fewer reporters to cover what's really happening in our communities. And studies have proven that this results in lower civic participation and lower voter turnout. This is a crisis for our democracy.

Seattle is lucky to have community papers such as the Seattle Gay News, the South Seattle Emerald, the Capitol Hill Seattle blog, and our many ethnic/in- language newspapers, but our suburban and rural communities aren't nearly as lucky. Trans and Queer youth must be able to see themselves in the media they consume, which becomes less and less possible the further you are from urban centers. With the rise in digital ads, funding for papers has plummeted.

The City can also work with Seattle Public Libraries to continue educating young people on the importance of local, reliable news sources. Our libraries are an incredible resource for disseminating information on how to dissect media and preparing young people for careers in journalism.

And lastly, but certainly not least, elected officials must work to nurture relationships with our independent media outlets. I am so grateful for the weekly conversations I had with George Bakan. His passion for our community, innovative policy solutions, and real talk are deeply missed.

Raketty: Seattle is facing an ongoing crisis related to unhomed peoples. Washington state experience at 6.2% increase in homelessness during 2019 and 2020. King County spends over $1 billion per year in public and private investment to support approximately 12,500 houseless people, with disappointing results. If you are elected to the Seattle City Council, how would you work to address this crisis?

Thomas
: Thank you so much for the question. I think it's a three-part approach. You've got short-term, medium, and long-term approaches.

Short-term, we've got to get people inside. I'm impressed with some of the results we're seeing around the hoteling programs and the partnership with the county there. We learned a lot during the COVID crisis about noncongregate shelter and a different methodology of getting folks inside, including the hotels, but we also have to expand our low- and no-barrier shelter, because we all know that abstinence doesn't work, and that shouldn't be a requirement for recovery and stabilization.

So, let's get people inside and, meanwhile, let's make sure we've got a workforce of service providers that don't qualify for the services that they are bringing to the table. They need to have livable wages. They need to have access to workforce housing. They also need to be supported and stabilized.

Long-term, we just got to build more housing. I think that's incumbent upon the city to meaningfully invest in. We can't just rely on high-road developers to bring us those three- and four-bedrooms that we know real families need near their workplaces. We've got to make sure that our housing stock reflects the diversity of needs that we have in this community. My kingdom did not need to see another tower go up with a bunch of glamorized one-bedrooms.

Raketty: As a result of the ongoing COVID pandemic, economic recovery and development and addressing Seattle's crumbling transit infrastructure, such as the West Seattle Bridge, are of great importance. Additionally, some express concern that jobs have left the downtown core and may have left Seattle permanently, and that workers will not return. The question then is threefold: How would you tackle the infrastructure issue? How would you stimulate the economic recovery and development? What concerns do you have about the loss of employers and workers in Seattle?

Thomas
: Excellent question. I also live on the island of West Seattle, so nobody wants that bridge fixed more than me. We also have bridges in Magnolia and the U District, all over the city, that need to be improved so they don't fall into the Sound.

We can do that through apprenticeships and relationships with our union partners for an economic boost and engine. That way, as we build infrastructure and leverage federal dollars — this is how we got out of the Great Depression — that's how we're going to get out of this economic downturn.

In terms of business development in the downtown core, the way we use land now is based on a 10,000-square-foot model for somebody who is more of a national retailer coming in. Nobody's going from their house or their garage or their Etsy shop to 10,000 square feet overnight.

So, let's shrink those blueprints. Let's make them 2,500 square feet, so smaller businesses can actually afford the rent. They can create good jobs for workers. Then, we use the leftover space in any of these developments to provide childcare. We know the city of Seattle has a real dearth of childcare and it's egregiously expensive.

So, we [should] work to build a 15-minute neighborhood that means everybody's got what they need right there in their neighborhood. That's economic opportunity, and that's somewhere to make sure that you can get groceries, put your kids, and hang out with your seniors.

In terms of folks coming back to work, I think we want to. Humans are social creatures, and it's going to be a little bit awkward. I don't know about you, but making eye contact has been weird lately. I think we want to be together, and I think the revitalization of downtown and our neighborhood centers of commerce will help with the issues that we've seen around the city of having a reputation for not being very well kept. I think once we all get back in the groove of being together, we'll get back in the groove of taking care of each other.

Raketty: As we saw with the protests related to the murder of George Floyd, police violence, and ongoing racial inequality, Seattle has earned a national reputation as a crime-ridden, dirty, and unsafe city. At one point, it was even labeled by the previous president as an "anarchist jurisdiction." Do you agree with this view, and either way, how do you shift the perceptions of our city?

Thomas
: We are not an "anarchistic jurisdiction," but thank you for the question. I was complimented by that.

You know, Seattle has a history of protest, and that's well within our rights, and it's well within our culture. If you can't go to Westlake and put your fist in the air and be pissed about something three times a year, we're not doing it right.

I don't think that protest against injustice equals destruction. I think there were a handful of folks who decided that dumpster fires were the thing for them that year, and I'd like to speak directly to their parents right now: "Please come get your children, please get them. You're embarrassing us. Everyone can see it."

I think that what was most disappointing about that was that the violence was then coupled with the movement for Black liberation — implying that it is a violent movement. And nothing could be further from the truth. The liberation of Black lives is not an assault, although it appeared to be so on our city for 63 days, because a handful of bad actors wanted to steal a narrative. So, let's not buy into that. That's not who we are.

Raketty: How do you address racial inequality in Seattle?

Thomas
: You have hard conversations with the 87% of the city that's white, and you sit in the discomfort and you don't shift the burden onto people of color, because, I assure you, we are plenty burdened. The people who are operating in a space of privilege, it's incumbent upon them to educate themselves on how we got here and what being an ally looks like moving forward.

TLDR; you can't call yourself an ally, somebody else has to give you that cool point. It's more than book groups. It's action. It's what happens at work when you see that a woman of color is being spoken over. It's what happens when you see that a Trans person isn't getting the same opportunities for advancement. It's each of us individually stepping up to the plate day by day.

And it's incumbent on policy-makers to bring folks to the table to make sure we are using an intersectional lens on all the policies that we build, so people who have been most harmed by government violence are centered in conversations moving forward.

Raketty: Compared to other West Coast cities, such as Portland, San Francisco, San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland, and San Diego, Seattle has the second highest cost per police officer, tied with Oakland, and the second highest number of officers per capita behind San Francisco.

Additionally, the average officer makes $153,000 a year before benefits, according to the Seattle Times.

Despite this large force and supporting budget, police report slow response times and claim the issue to be lack of staff. The police budget was cut approximately 18%, and staffing levels were adjusted to support roughly 1,325 officers if fully staffed.

How would you define "defund the police?" What is your position on that? As a city councilmember, what would you do to restore the trust in the SPD?

Thomas
: Thank you for this question. I define "defund the police" as a call from community to right-size budget investments in systems that actually produce public safety.

We know that public safety, particularly for the Trans community, is not the same as a rainbow sticker on a cupcake shop. That's not it. It's actually having relationships that don't end in more violence for people that are already experiencing trauma and are already vulnerable.

So, when I hear "defund the police," I also hear "invest in community solutions." We have to do that in a way that has a 1-, 3-, 5-, and 10-year plan, because the last thing we need is to lose this political moment to a pilot project that is underfunded on the community side and then doesn't produce the results that people are looking for, so we can wash our hands, say we tried it, and continue with business as usual.

I think where I stand personally on "defund" is [that] I hear the calls from community, but that doesn't necessarily mean fewer officers. It means better- trained officers. It means culturally responsive officers. Quite frankly, it means [the Seattle Police Officers Guild] coming to the table to get a contract that allows the reflection of community's expectations and values in that document.

So, until we get someone that's willing to effectuate all of the changes we put in the 2017 police accountability ordinance — because not all of them got in there, particularly arbitration and discipline — then we aren't going to be able to move culture forward in a way that is actually responsive to the calls of community.

Raketty: One of the many things COVID has shed light on is the ongoing mental health crisis in this country. Seattle is not exempt from this. Recently, a man in the throes of a mental health crisis was fatally wounded by the Seattle Police Department near the Seattle waterfront. Some cities have implemented programs where unarmed teams of social workers respond to mental health calls. What would you do as a city councilmember to address the ongoing mental health crisis?

Thomas
: I just had a Facebook interview with Sen. Manka Dhingra, who is an expert on this topic. I wish she were here to answer this for me.

The state has made some great investments this year in alternative responses. So we're looking forward to, instead of having to call 9-1-1, being able to call 6-8-8 for the appropriate responder to show up when somebody is experiencing a crisis. And that responder should be someone, ideally, who also has a shared, lived experience with the person that they're responding to.

We also need to make sure that our 9-1-1 operators are being trained in a way such that they are giving the correct information to whoever is responding, whether it is SPD or Health One or a community-based provider, so that their bias doesn't enter the conversation, so that the information that our responders are getting doesn't lead them to a particular outcome or a series of assumptions. I think it all starts at the point of impact and engagement.

Raketty: Housing affordability is a significant problem here in Seattle: 88% of Seattle's land zoned for housing is zoned for single family units. Over the last five years, most of the new construction has been centered in the 12% that supports high-density housing. Developers and builders focus on small-footprint properties with minimal parking and luxury appointments.

Do you support changing our zoning rules for ADUs and more dense construction to alleviate the housing crisis? What changes does Seattle regulations need to make? What would you support as far as construction of residential property?

Thomas
: No more towers with marble countertops and studios. We don't need any more those; we are super good.

Density doesn't have to be terrifying. It can be a duplex. It can be a triplex, it can be a detached infill unit on somebody else's already single-family plot, so that the daughter or auntie who never got married has some where to age in place with some dignity.

I think we have to recognize our history of redlining, and we have to recognize our attitudes for the last 20, 30 years, around "not in my backyard." It is now in your backyard, and it's in your parks and it's on your streets. That is part of what is exacerbating the homelessness crisis that we are facing right now.

So, we got to get real about the fact that density can look like a lot of different things. It doesn't have to be terrifying, but we can't allow our nostalgia for a Seattle that actually never was to overtake the real needs we have on the ground right now. There's a lot of ways to do it. It doesn't have to be scary.

Raketty: Seattle has a reputation for having high taxes compared to other Washington cities. A number of initiatives have added incremental taxes to fund transit, homeless programs, education, and the general fund. These taxes are small on paper — such as the 2020 STBD Prop 1 voters approved that added 0.05% to the city's existing sales tax. Most of these taxes are regressive, due to Washington state's tax structure. Will you pledge no new taxes on the residents of Seattle?

Thomas
: No. No, I won't. I will pledge to work my tuchus off to figure out how to turn the regressive tax system around. That may mean a new type of tax, but I absolutely agree that right now, relying on sales tax, which disproportionately impacts the working poor, is just not acceptable. We've got the most upside down tax structure in the country right now.

So, I think you will need a new tax structure to address that. I'd just like to remind folks that the city has tried nonregressive options on several occasions. I personally have the emotional scar tissue from all three times. We did the employee hours tax, and [there was] the time we did the income tax. [We've had] discussions... around capital gains, which just passed at the state level.

One thing I've learned my five years working with the council is you have to pass a policy that (1) can be implemented, because if we don't feel it, nothing happened, and (2) will stand up to a legal challenge. Every time someone has a good idea that's in alignment with our community's values — we work a policy, we get it through, work in collaboration — and then, boom, lawsuit. If I've got a piece of legislation that's tied up in litigation and I can't actually implement it, again, nothing happens.

So these policies have to be done collaboratively and they have to be done with an eye to surviving legal challenges because — at this point — we have learned those are inevitable.

Raketty: What programs would you want to see cut if you are a member the city council?

Thomas
: This is going to be hugely unpopular, but I think some of our commissions need restructuring. We have a lot of them. We got so many commissions, and I don't know if people are getting a meaningful experience from them. I don't know if 80 commissions is the answer. Maybe we take a look at it. they need to meaningfully engage with council members, with the mayor, and with their community. So I think that we could... probably tighten that up. We got a little commission happy.

Raketty: Thank you so much for joining us today.

Thomas
: Well, thank you so much, and I would be remiss if I didn't make a pitch for some of your democracy vouchers, because I was the campaign manager that brought you that program!

Thomas's campaign website is www.peopleforbrianna.org.